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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:46 pm 
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Just curious: Are you all going to bitch when T'rump signs the FISA reform bill that gives the FBI warrantless access to dragnet the NSA's data on Americans for potential crimes?

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To clarify. Independents who may not be the most politically engaged I think are annoyed by hearing stupid stuff about him. I think a lot of independents just want stability not drama.


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I agree with that

hope it will be enough come election time


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I actually think a lot of people are tired of hearing his shit. People who don't want drama and just not think about the government.

People like low unemployment, security, stock markets rising and tax refunds. You are naive or wishing they gave a damn about how that occurs.

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It has been one attempt after another at character assassination since he got elected (and before). The left simply can't get over the humiliation of him crushing their candidate who they stupidly thought was a shoe-in. Do you really think the fly over states give a damn about you and the MSM's obsession with trying to take down the duly-elected president? They don't.

You are wasting time that could be much better spent getting back into the game. You are about to get dealt out of it even farther.

Newsflash: Dems are going to get CRUSHED in the midterms if you don't stop this bullshit and start working on real issues and putting real candidates out there to run against incumbents.

Prove me wrong.

Do you hate seeing Trump and the Republicans elect SCOTUS seats and pass/repeal what they want without your input? You haven't seen anything yet.


You can't take your ball and go home. Either play the game or accept a rapidly shrinking seat at the table...and it's self-inflicted!

How exactly have the Dems transformed themselves into representative of the people since President Trump was elected? You are running more of the same thinking (worse imho now) it's somehow going to magically yield better results.


Slink away in shame again pls. Our dumb quota is filled with dg and dd. You support a racist, narcissistic, dumbass of an embarrassment. The guy is clearly a piece of shit. So are you.


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Just another attempt at bullshit character assassination of a great man. The dozens of allegations are all fake. Trump is telling the truth and everyone else is lying. You know, the guy whose been married 3 times and very publicly cheated on ivana in the 90s would never do these things.... :? Shroud is a Fucking idiot.


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The word “shithole” was projected onto President Trump’s D.C. hotel Saturday.

Video shows the word, along with the “poop” emoji, being projected onto the property.

“Pay Trump bribes here” “emoluments welcome,” and “we are all responsible to stand up and end white supremacy” were also projected onto the building.

Trump has faced intense backlash for calling Haiti, El Salvador and African nations “shithole countries” during an Oval Office meeting on immigration this week.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump reportedly said, before suggesting that the U.S. bring in more immigrants from countries like Norway.

The White House initially did not deny that Trump made the remarks, but Trump later disputed the reports on Twitter.

Lawmakers, media figures and world leaders have all decried Trump’s comments. The African Union, representing all 55 African countries, demanded Saturday that Trump apologize for the remarks.


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Just another attempt at bullshit character assassination of a great man. The dozens of allegations are all fake. Trump is telling the truth and everyone else is lying. You know, the guy whose been married 3 times and very publicly cheated on ivana in the 90s would never do these things.... :? Shroud is a Fucking idiot.



Wow! You completely lack common sense.

No wonder you bought into Russia-gate. Hilliary lost, so therefore Putin must have rigged the election, right?

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dduquette wrote:
nancytaube wrote:
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Just another attempt at bullshit character assassination of a great man. The dozens of allegations are all fake. Trump is telling the truth and everyone else is lying. You know, the guy whose been married 3 times and very publicly cheated on ivana in the 90s would never do these things.... :? Shroud is a Fucking idiot.



Wow! You completely lack common sense.

No wonder you bought into Russia-gate. Hilliary lost, so therefore Putin must have rigged the election, right?


How many guys with dictatorial powers haven't had mistresses?
Come on DD....a lot of monogamous dictators out there?


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Use common sense - Just because the guy's had mistresses in the past doesn't mean everyone claiming to be a mistress is a mistress.

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Er common sense would suggest a very high likelihood of having other mistress.

What's the percentage of false accusations of this sort...10-15%

Common sense would preclude, at least one of them is telling the truth, probably 2 of them and quite possibly on the 3rd

55% of cheaters repeat


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Dudes a pussy slayer

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Dudes a pussy slayer

How much money do you think this shitmouth fuck has spent on pussy in his life? Not counting divorce settlements or lawsuits, I'm strictly talking about paying for sex.


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Dudes a pussy slayer

How much money do you think this shitmouth fuck has spent on pussy in his life? Not counting divorce settlements or lawsuits, I'm strictly talking about paying for sex.


Loads of thick Benjamin’s

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But.....Bill Clinton.

He’s a scumbag. We knew this.

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Bill is a true pussy slayer, I doubt he ever paid for it

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Bill is a true pussy slayer, I doubt he ever paid for it


Oh he paid for it alright.

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OP needs to change the thread title to DEADGATORS latest embarrassment.


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Just another attempt at bullshit character assassination of a great man. The dozens of allegations are all fake. Trump is telling the truth and everyone else is lying. You know, the guy whose been married 3 times and very publicly cheated on ivana in the 90s would never do these things.... :?

Right. What you posted there really helped to keep him from getting elected the first time after taking down a field of 19 in the primaries to begin with. All of this mistress and multiple marriage crap has been long since discounted in voter's eyes (but not yours clearly) as old news or outright ignored and matters very little when they:
a) have jobs
b) stocks are up
c) the people being publicly outed for sexual harassment are Democratic politicians and Hollywood

How have the Dems positioned themselves for a different outcome next time? They have had 1 year. Seriously. Why would a voter who voted Trump or simply stayed home last time choose to vote for a Dem this time?

Get pissed off and insult me for stating the brutal truth about Dems chances next time around. The DNC is pissing away the time until the next election and not remaking themselves into something that people will actually vote for. Why be pissed at me? Be pissed at them for not fielding better candidates.

Impeachment talk? Russiagate? These are pipe dreams man and they piss off the average voter who wants real discussion of real issues. People want change and the DNC is hell bent on not giving it to them currently by refusing to clean house and address what is rotten inside of itself.

It's like the Dems don't want to win.

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These people should be calling their Senators begging them not to vote for the FISA extension bill which would expand the Presidents spying powers.

But instead they want to gossip about if T'rump banged a porn star.

Just so the hillbots can't later cliam they didn't know:

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With Support From Nancy Pelosi, House Gives Trump Administration Broad Latitude to Spy on Americans
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January 11 2018, 3:34 p.m.

With bipartisan backing, the House of Representatives passed a bill Thursday that would renew one of the government’s most sweeping surveillance authorities for six years with minimal changes.

The measure, which passed 256-164, reauthorized Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was set to expire later this month.

The law was first passed in 2008 to legalize President George W. Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. It allows the National Security Agency to collect Americans’ communications with people overseas, as long as the NSA is “targeting” the foreigners involved.

The vote followed a morning of confusion, as President Donald Trump tweeted in opposition to the bill, referencing a conspiracy theory about then-President Barack Obama spying on the Trump campaign. He walked himself back two hours later, tweeting, “We need it! Get Smart!”

The law serves as the legal backing for two mammoth NSA programs revealed by Edward Snowden: Upstream, which collects information from the internet junctions where data passes in and out of the country, and PRISM, which collects communications from U.S.-based internet companies, like Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Yahoo.

The programs rest on the notion that they are “targeting” foreigners, but they also collect massive amounts of data on Americans, including wholly domestic communications. Amazingly, the intelligence community has never disclosed how much. Numerous members of Congress have requested an estimate since 2011, but both the Obama and Trump administrations have refused to provide one.

The bill also consolidates the FBI’s legal authority to search those communications without a warrant. Under current rules, the NSA shares certain kinds of information it collects under Section 702 with the FBI, whose agents can then search it in the course of investigating crimes unrelated to national security. In a secret court hearing in 2015, a lawyer for the Justice Department compared the frequency of those searches to the use of Google.

On Thursday, the House failed to pass an amendment to the bill offered by Rep. Justin Amash, R.-Mich., which would have required federal law enforcement agents to get a warrant before searching NSA data for information on Americans. The amendment was defeated 183-233, with 125 Democrats voting for it and 55 Democrats against, including Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif..

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“Our right to privacy does not begin when the Department of Justice has a fully formed criminal case against us,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, who spoke on the floor in support of the amendment. “The Constitution guarantees far more than this — our right to privacy protects us when the government first makes its decision to search our private communications for information it might find useful.”

Democratic and Republican leadership both lined up to support the bill and oppose the amendment. “Respectful of debate on this issue, I myself will be voting to support my ranking member on the Intelligence Committee,” said Pelosi, referring to the bill’s roots in a template from the Intelligence Committee. “Weighing the equities, that’s the path I will take.”

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., also spoke in support of the bill and against the amendment from a member of his own party, adding: “I want to thank [Pelosi] for coming up and speaking against the Amash amendment, and in favor of the underlying bipartisan [bill].”

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https://theintercept.com/2018/01/11/nsa-pelosi-democrats-spy-american-section-702/

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Look Doug, these people in office, many of them are not smart. Like the majority of the population, they believe that these powers are a necessary and even desirable because the illusion of safety is more important to them than the illusion of freedom.


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I mean undoubtedly the Clinton campaign and many on the left were guilty of buying into a narrative (e.g., that Trump can't win) in the face of the evidence in 2016.

Seems increasingly clear that Trump and his supporters are buying into one now though (e.g., that Trump can't lose).

Special election losses in VA and AL
bunch of other narrow wins in what should be reliably R districts
presidential approval rating < 40%
Dem edge on the generic ballot in double digits
A bunch of Republican incumbents retiring/prominent Republican challengers bowing out
Dem recruiting at an all time high

Now, none of that guarantees a wave election for the Democrats. Republicans have the map in their favor, so it could be enough to keep them in power. But Republicans assume the dynamics of the 2016 race will repeat themselves at their own risk. Looks pretty bad for them, tbh


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Maybe Dennis Kucinich's wife could run? That would be hot!

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So WSJ released the audio:

http://www.wsj.com/video/disputed-audio-from-donald-trump-interview-with-wsj/33003B4D-0DA4-4760-B913-0C2CDC903E74.html

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not fake news


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Trump is an imbecile


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Look Doug, these people in office, many of them are not smart. Like the majority of the population, they believe that these powers are a necessary and even desirable because the illusion of safety is more important to them than the illusion of freedom.


So they're lying when they claim they don't trust T'rump. Got it. Hillbots = T'rump supporters.

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So WSJ released the audio:

http://www.wsj.com/video/disputed-audio-from-donald-trump-interview-with-wsj/33003B4D-0DA4-4760-B913-0C2CDC903E74.html

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not fake news



He clearly said "I'd". The "probably" should leave no doubt.

Sad to see the WSJ dig their heels in. I used to consider them a credible journalistic outlet. Glad they released the audio transcript. You should have listened to it before you posted. You're credibility is at stake too.

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While you hillbots are distracting each other with gossip about porn stars and fabricated news using fake quotes the same corrupt Democrats who conspired to rig the primary for T'rump are now conspiring to hand him tyrannical authority.

Really, giving T'rump FBI warrantless access to the NSA's data collected on us is more important than whether he's banging porn stars.

Call your Democratic senators and threaten to vote against them if they support the FISA renewal and expansion.

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Democratic Defections Allow an Assault on Civil Liberties to Pass the House
If all Democrats had opposed the FISA Amendments and Reauthorization Act, they could have united with libertarian-leaning Republicans to block it.
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New York Congressman Jerry Nadler, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and one of the chamber’s most ardent defenders of civil liberties, went to the floor of the House on Thursday with a simple request: that members reject the draconian FISA Amendments and Reauthorization Act of 2017.

Nader’s argument was pointed and powerful: “When we came to Congress, each of us took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. I ask that each of my colleagues honor that oath today—and that we work together to defeat this bill, and to bring the right set of reforms to the floor without delay.”

He explained that the legislation, which has the backing of the White House and Republican leaders in the House, proposed to reauthorize the federal government’s surveillance powers without adequate safeguards for the privacy rights of Americans. Noting that the legislation, which is supposed to protect against terror threats, “allows the FBI unfettered access to (federal database) information, for purely domestic cases, without a warrant,” Nader asked: “What does that mean, in the era of Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump?”

He answered: “It means that absolutely nothing stops the Department of Justice from trolling the database for evidence that you use marijuana, or failed to pay your taxes, or may be in the country unlawfully, or possess a firearm that you should not have.”

Nadler was not alone in his assessment. “The government will use this bill to continue warrantless intrusions into Americans’ private emails, text messages, and other communications,” warned Neema Singh Guliani, the policy counsel with the American Civil Liberties Union.”No president should have this power.”

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ad-hominen attacks on me aside

Trump is someone who people voted for. (FYP)

Prediction: Oprah won't run. She will bask in this exposure for a bit and then "decide" to not run at the most opportune time. She won't risk her business empire by risking the level of public exposure of her life (personally and professionally) in the way announcing as a candidate would cause.

When the DNC is ready to ditch Pelosi and Clinton (and Sanders for that matter) and move past their far-left progressive agenda and Obama-era rose-colored glasses and run this woman you can let me and the rest of America know:

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Craft a national and party platform around her as a candidate that aligns with her and what she stands for and get the MSM media to support it (which they would). You will win.

Support local candidates that align along similar lines with proper focus on their state and local needs and you win there too.

Blueprint for success. Easy as pie.

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Ditch the fat left progressive agenda of Hillary and run tulsi Gabbard


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lol Voting to give T'rump's FBI access to the NSA's database of American's communications is not a "far left progressive agenda". It's a far-right authoritarian agenda the establishment Dems are behind.

If you think running people from the wing of the party that support's T'rump is how to win you're fucking nuts.

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FWIW, I have a pretty solid history of going at it with Shroud, and I don’t totally disagree with a lot of what he has said in here. I think that some of the backlash is rooted in his history, but he’s made some decent points in here.

Not sure about Tulsi, but I’d be willing to see if her candidacy would fly.

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Tulsi Gabbard is kind of a nutjob but if the Democrats run her against Trump I will vote for her. Hard to imagine a candidate they'd put up whom I wouldn't vote for, tbh. Trump is the worst thing to happen to this country in a generation. Number one objective of 2020 is kicking him out on his old, racist ass.


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Tulsi Gabbard is kind of a nutjob but if the Democrats run her against Trump I will vote for her. Hard to imagine a candidate they'd put up whom I wouldn't vote for, tbh. Trump is the worst thing to happen to this country in a generation. Number one objective of 2020 is kicking him out on his old, racist ass.


Yep, this.

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At first glance I thought you said Doug, not dog. Haha


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Hillary is only “far left” because the gop agenda is to turn back the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Anything other then segregation is far left


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Hillary is only “far left” because the gop agenda is to turn back the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Anything other then segregation is far left

She isn't anywhere close to as far left as tulsi gabbard but whatever gets the dumbfucks to vote against trump I'm up for trying


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"Recording conversations with reporters"?...good idea. Additional material that must be preserved for the archives. I guess nothing will be "off the record" from now on.


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So, in light of all the propaganda like the WSJ mis-quoting our President, your main complaint is that there's a public record available to dispute it?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:17 pm 
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I'm sure he has many others too


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Seems odd to have a grievance about that. If you think the people should be lied to in order to achieve some political ends then you're no friend to democracy.

I guess that's why he supports handing T'rump expanded surveillance powers - because he knows it's a threat to democracy?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:36 pm 
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Well here's the audio...

"I probably have a great relationship with Kim, I have relationships with people"

http://www.wsj.com/video/disputed-audio ... 03E74.html


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