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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:33 pm 
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On October 5, the ACLU Foundation filed a habeas corpus petition on behalf of an unidentified U.S. citizen unlawfully detained by the U.S. military in Iraq since approximately September 14 for allegedly fighting with the Islamic State group in Syria. The military has refused to make the citizen’s identity public or grant him access to counsel or a court. Following a court order requesting information, the government admitted that the American has asked for an attorney.

The filing in federal district court in Washington asks the court to order the Pentagon to give the U.S. citizen the opportunity to obtain legal assistance by putting him in secure contact with ACLU attorneys. It also asks the court to find that the military detention is unlawful and to rule that the only lawful basis to detain him is under properly filed federal criminal charges.

The secret, indefinite detention of an American citizen without charge and without meaningful access to a court violates the Constitution’s guarantee of due process. The U.S. citizen should accordingly be transferred to the civilian federal court system immediately. If the Trump administration will not respect the citizen’s rights, then the courts must step in to protect them.

Because the government is denying the citizen both access to counsel and the ability to challenge his detention himself, the ACLU filed as a “next friend” of the American to inform him of his rights and to give him the chance to have legal representation.




https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-foundation-v-mattis

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:46 pm 
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Too bad you can't make a direct criticism of Trump or this would have had a much more awesome dd thread title.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:52 pm 
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There's a 85 page thread for your hysterical bullshit. Leave this thread for constructive criticism.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:56 pm 
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Quite frankly, this is Bush policy that Obama expanded on by droning that American in Yemen.

Due process is what the President says it is per Obama. So thank him for setting the precedent.

Granted T'rump never pretended to be a civil libertarian, so I don't expect any reforms from him either. But you can't blame him for using the weapons Obama handed him.

That's part of why I criticized Obama at the time to the dismay of the Obamabots - the powers he claimed weren't always going to be a "Democratic" Presidents powers. Now they are powers T'rump has.

I hope the ACLU wins.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm 
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sure you can blame him...but you won't

calm and rational here...unlike your hysterics.

How would you like the discussion to go where we stop Trump from allowing us military jails to detain Americans indefinitely without a lawyer or access to a due process?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:04 pm 
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Donate to the ACLU.

It's much better than wasting your money on the corrupt Democratic party. Like T'rump, the Denmocrat's aren't civil libertarians either.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:12 pm 
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Trump did this


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:16 pm 
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I heard proof of his innocence was on Hillary’s bleached harddrive :(


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:18 pm 
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Hedges v. Obama

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Hedges v. Obama[note 1][3][4] was a lawsuit filed in January 2012 against the Obama administration and members of the U.S. Congress[5] by a group including former New York Times reporter and current Truthdig columnist Christopher Hedges, challenging the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA).[6] The legislation permitted the U.S. government to indefinitely detain people "who are part of or substantially support Al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces engaged in hostilities against the United States".[7]


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:18 pm 
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Trump did this


Right. And it's going to be people like the ACLU, not Democrats, who stop him.

When the Democrats were given the chance to roll back Bush's drone assassination program they expanded it to include Americans.

If you can kill an American without trial, then why not detain them? You trusted Obama was killing the right people, now you understand why it was a bad idea to cede that authority to the Presidency, right?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:28 pm 
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Heard about the drug boat version of this?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:34 pm 
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The ACLU is packed full of democrats


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:35 pm 
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Right. Liberal Democrats like me who supported Bernie, not the corrupt pos's who run the party.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:45 pm 
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The ACLU is packed full of Hillary voters


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:50 pm 
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lol That's right, the hillbots cognitive dissonance allows them to support someone who promoted human rights abuses abroad while personally pretending to support human rights at home. They are some deluded fucks, those hillbots.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:22 pm 
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I guess if you support entrapping Flynn then why not detain jail other Americans for political reasons? I can see why the hillbots don't want to create too much of a stir over this.

One day a "Democratic" President will be able to jail their critics too, so you don't want to destroy the precedent Obama set just because T'rump is now using it to violate human rights, right?

I think it's also pretty uncomfortable for the paid hacks to talk about how the ACLU is a better investment than the Democratic party for those willing to donate to the common good.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 pm 
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christ you're boring.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:33 pm 
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You triggered by "paid hack", huh?

Really, T'rump does something that violates American's basic civil rights but you don't want to talk about it because it helps the ACLU and not whoever you're serving, huh?

As someone who donated to Bernie to help save America from T'rump, which ended up paying for Correct The Record trolls instead, I have now donated $50 to the ACLU to help save America from T'rump.

Why don't you match me?

https://action.aclu.org/secure/sem-become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu?s_src=UNW170001SEM&alt_src=UNV170001SEM&ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20Donate_donate%20to%20the%20aclu_p_235612639372

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:14 pm 
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sure you can blame him...but you won't

calm and rational here...unlike your hysterics.

How would you like the discussion to go where we stop Trump from allowing us military jails to detain Americans indefinitely without a lawyer or access to a due process?


It's also worth noting that your premise is that T'rump "allowed" this is wrong.

There is effectively a "deep state" mutiny going on. We don't know that this un-Constitutional action was ordered by him or is being carried out by an insubordinate subordinate. There's no evidence that T'rump "allowed" that to happen. He can't even get Sessions to carry out his duties.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:15 pm 
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Hillary would have released this guy by now


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:24 pm 
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No, she would have murdered him:

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https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-kill-chain/


She was the Secretary of State when the American was droned in Yemen and she signed off on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:57 am 
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^^ Bump for those who want to do something that will actually oppose T'rump's right-wing policies ^^

Help defend Americans from attacks on our civil liberties - donate to the ACLU:

https://action.aclu.org/secure/sem-become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu?s_src=UNW170001SEM&alt_src=UNV170001SEM&ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20Donate_donate%20to%20the%20aclu_p_235612639372

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too bad hillary isn't president or this guy would not be confined


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:27 am 
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You'd rather an American citizen be droned to death?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:39 pm 
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dduquette wrote:

As someone who donated to Bernie to help save America from T'rump, which ended up paying for Correct The Record trolls instead, I have now donated $50 to the ACLU to help save America from T'rump.

Why don't you match me?

https://action.aclu.org/secure/sem-become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu?s_src=UNW170001SEM&alt_src=UNV170001SEM&ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20Donate_donate%20to%20the%20aclu_p_235612639372



Nobody's going to take me up on this?

Really, $35 to the ACLU is a better waste of your resources than posting anti-T'rump propaganda every day for a year.

Put your money where your mouth is and actually do something to oppose T'rump.

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Woah....tides are turning


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Lol I’d reply to this except I can’t see a word the lunatic DD is typing.

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well we all campaigned against trump while you were campaigning for trump

if you need us to post up the list, im sure someone will do it


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:09 pm 
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dduquette wrote:
As someone who donated to Bernie to help save America from T'rump, which ended up paying for Correct The Record trolls instead, I have now donated $50 to the ACLU to help save America from T'rump.

Why don't you match me?

https://action.aclu.org/secure/sem-become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu?s_src=UNW170001SEM&alt_src=UNV170001SEM&ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20Donate_donate%20to%20the%20aclu_p_235612639372




Still no takers?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:31 pm 
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Lol I’d reply to this except I can’t see a word the lunatic DD is typing.


We get it - you ignored DD.

But you still click his threads and make a point of constantly talking about him and pointing out that you have him ignored.

Weird.


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