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Most kids who wet the bed have primary enuresis. It is not caused by psychiatric or emotional problems. It can be caused by differences in bladder muscles, having a small bladder, making too much urine, and sleeping too deeply to wake up when the bladder is full. ... Bed-wetting can be inherited.

http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/enuresis.htm




So....for everyone convinced its tramua based....it may not be. Although the other clues in this thread seem to increase the likelyhood.


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You still pissing the bed, cpj?

Seem awful angry here.


I've never been a bed wetter, luckily. I honetly don't think I peed the bed past the age that kids do it if they even do it. I have no idea. I don't know much about kids. I just know I wasn't pissing in them, or pissing in them now. I had a girl pee on my floor last year. She never had any sort of trauma. She was just drunk and sleeping and people do weird things when they're sleeping.

I do have a friend who I've lost touch with as much, but he had did it into his late 20's. no "trauma" in his life. Just a heavy sleeper.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:31 pm 
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So maybe the kid is just drunk

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kids being perfectly potty trained and then regressing is typically indicative of some kind of trauma



this was what i thought and the expert opinion i was reffering to...


I had this thought as well


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So maybe the kid is just drunk


I mentioned that already...


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had a friend through college who every time they took some type of medication (forget what exactly) and drank would piss themself. drinking didn't have to be excessive. remove the medication and it didn't happen


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Most kids who wet the bed have primary enuresis. It is not caused by psychiatric or emotional problems. It can be caused by differences in bladder muscles, having a small bladder, making too much urine, and sleeping too deeply to wake up when the bladder is full. ... Bed-wetting can be inherited.

http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/enuresis.htm




So....for everyone convinced its tramua based....it may not be. Although the other clues in this thread seem to increase the likelihood.



yeah, seems like a lot of other warning signs as well


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thsea wrote:
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Most kids who wet the bed have primary enuresis. It is not caused by psychiatric or emotional problems. It can be caused by differences in bladder muscles, having a small bladder, making too much urine, and sleeping too deeply to wake up when the bladder is full. ... Bed-wetting can be inherited.

http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/enuresis.htm



So....for everyone convinced its tramua based....it may not be. Although the other clues in this thread seem to increase the likelyhood.

Nobody is arguing that it’s definitely trauma. But there are enough factors discussed by the OP to consider it is a possibility and it deserves some focus. We are discussing how to be supportive regardless of the cause of the behavior.


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mybodyguard wrote:
You still pissing the bed, cpj?

Seem awful angry here.


I've never been a bed wetter, luckily. I honetly don't think I peed the bed past the age that kids do it if they even do it. I have no idea. I don't know much about kids. I just know I wasn't pissing in them, or pissing in them now. I had a girl pee on my floor last year. She never had any sort of trauma. She was just drunk and sleeping and people do weird things when they're sleeping.

I do have a friend who I've lost touch with as much, but he had did it into his late 20's. no "trauma" in his life. Just a heavy sleeper.

You keep putting quotation marks around the word trauma. Why?


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Talk to the kids parents about it. Its really not that abnormal, but the part about not telling anyone is.
Some boys take longer to grow out of it, does not indicate trauma and that is the absolute wrong thing to assume guys.

Eta...id be pissed tgat the parents didnt warn you, they know about it and should make you aware too.


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Talk to the kids parents about it. Its really not that abnormal, but the part about not telling anyone is.
Some boys take longer to grow out of it, does not indicate trauma and that is the absolute wrong thing to assume guys.

Eta...id be pissed tgat the parents didnt warn you, they know about it and should make you aware too.




the fact the parents dont know seems concerning (his bed is gross so they cleraly arent addressig it at all at home with something like plastic/ rubber sheets, they dont provide any asssitance in his sleepovers).

ht would concern me (as someone who has zero experience in this area at all)


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mybodyguard wrote:
You still pissing the bed, cpj?

Seem awful angry here.


I've never been a bed wetter, luckily. I honetly don't think I peed the bed past the age that kids do it if they even do it. I have no idea. I don't know much about kids. I just know I wasn't pissing in them, or pissing in them now. I had a girl pee on my floor last year. She never had any sort of trauma. She was just drunk and sleeping and people do weird things when they're sleeping.

I do have a friend who I've lost touch with as much, but he had did it into his late 20's. no "trauma" in his life. Just a heavy sleeper.

You keep putting quotation marks around the word trauma. Why?


because in today's America I have no idea what trauma is. It seems that you can get PTSD from just about anything.

What about the kid who picks his nose and puts his boogers underneath the bed? Is that from trauma, or is the kid just a disgusting lazy fuck? what about kids who don't bathe when they hit the age where they get BO, and they think covering the BO with deodorant will work... is that from trauma? Or is it a kid being a kid?

I'm not saying there can't be trauma involved... but someone throwing around a diagnosis as to trauma when they literally know nothing about the kid is kind of laughable.


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Before oh okay, there was dang you dumb. Seems applicable.


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My cousin peed the bed until his teens. They had to get a sheet with an alarm on it to wake him when he went.
Eventually went away.
Doesn't seem the case with this kid though. Does your son have any insight?


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Get him a login so he can talk to Berks and CPJ

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no one is assuming he has trauma. we said it's a red flag that made 3 professionals who are trained in this sort of thing take pause and think it's something to consider.

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that cpj post though. just...wow.


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Came in to say pretty much what JBS and Berks said. I had experience exactly like this with a friend from across the street growin up. She would always sleep at my house and always wet the bed and when we were older she would want to role play sexual games.
Her adoptive father was sexually molesting her for god knows how long. It was a terrible story and I'm only sharing it to express urgency in helping this child.
Call social services.

im gonna go ahead and say that calling social services, at this point, is too quick of an escalation. maybe find out some info and decide if that leads to a social services call.

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Kid is avoiding home as much as possible and wetting the bed a lot. I'm sure it's not related

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cpj wrote:
mybodyguard wrote:
You still pissing the bed, cpj?

Seem awful angry here.


I've never been a bed wetter, luckily. I honetly don't think I peed the bed past the age that kids do it if they even do it. I have no idea. I don't know much about kids. I just know I wasn't pissing in them, or pissing in them now. I had a girl pee on my floor last year. She never had any sort of trauma. She was just drunk and sleeping and people do weird things when they're sleeping.

I do have a friend who I've lost touch with as much, but he had did it into his late 20's. no "trauma" in his life. Just a heavy sleeper.



hey guys that solves everything


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cpj wrote:
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mybodyguard wrote:
You still pissing the bed, cpj?

Seem awful angry here.


I've never been a bed wetter, luckily. I honetly don't think I peed the bed past the age that kids do it if they even do it. I have no idea. I don't know much about kids. I just know I wasn't pissing in them, or pissing in them now. I had a girl pee on my floor last year. She never had any sort of trauma. She was just drunk and sleeping and people do weird things when they're sleeping.

I do have a friend who I've lost touch with as much, but he had did it into his late 20's. no "trauma" in his life. Just a heavy sleeper.

You keep putting quotation marks around the word trauma. Why?


because in today's America I have no idea what trauma is. It seems that you can get PTSD from just about anything.

What about the kid who picks his nose and puts his boogers underneath the bed? Is that from trauma, or is the kid just a disgusting lazy fuck? what about kids who don't bathe when they hit the age where they get BO, and they think covering the BO with deodorant will work... is that from trauma? Or is it a kid being a kid?

I'm not saying there can't be trauma involved... but someone throwing around a diagnosis as to trauma when they literally know nothing about the kid is kind of laughable.



but you know all about him?


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No. Nor did I attempt to diagnos him.

He's prob a lazy fat kid if I were to guess. People are filthy animals. Pissing on oneself doesn't surprise me.


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Did you try rubbing his face in it?



Ah, the "cat" approach


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the boy must be beaten until he gets learned.

he get burnt, he get learnt; it's science.

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No. Nor did I attempt to diagnos him.

He's prob a lazy fat kid if I were to guess. People are filthy animals. Pissing on oneself doesn't surprise me.


disagree


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My first internship rotation was pediatric urology. It was a long time ago, and I can't say I've followed the literature very closely since then but I'd imagine the workup is the same. A thorough behavioral history of the pattern, duration, etc., a urological exam to rule out any organic cause, a good individual and family psych evaluation to assess anxiety, trauma, etc. Based on that, it looks like there are a few options for treatment that show some effectiveness. A Cochrane review is a good place to start for the best available evidence.

The main thing we used was the bell and pad.
http://www.cochrane.org/CD002911/INCONT ... n-children

http://www.cochrane.org/CD002238/INCONT ... tricyclics

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I wouldn't be annoyed by this kid. I'd be concerned for him


THIS.


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right?
cpj isa trollin


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My best friend growing up had the same issue around 12/13.... turned out to require partial removal of his spleen..


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cpj isa trollin


I'm no doctor, but I'd say your diagnosis is spot on


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I fucking love the fact you took pictures of a book and posted them. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Meh... The book literally sits right in front of me all day. Rather than trying to regurgitate all that information it was far easier to just do that.

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My best friend growing up had the same issue around 12/13.... turned out to require partial removal of his spleen..


Lazy ass spleen

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